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Re: [ba-ohs-talk] Tinderbox: tool for visual concept structuring

Cool, thanks for the links.  I've been looking for descriptive testimonials 
about Tinderbox since I first heard about it on http://www.langreiter.com    (01)

The philosophy of the tool sounds great.  I especially like that it can be 
used for quickly organizing a set of notes.  I think that MindMaps were 
invented for the same purpose of quick note taking. 
http://www.mindtools.com/mindmaps.html    (02)

Personally, am most interested by the multiple layouts that Tinderbox 
allows.  Perhaps TouchGraph's layout could be a helpful way of browsing the 
notes as well (what do you think, Mark, I use windows, so I haven't gotten 
a chance to play with Tinderbox).    (03)

Thanks again,
--Alex    (04)

At 10:03 AM 4/3/02 -0400, you wrote:
>There's also a WebLog entry at 
>html about using Tinderbox to weave a net of notes during a lecture by 
>Doug. An excerpt:
>>  Reviewing my Tinderbox-captured notes from this event was a joy. I 
>> could retain their chronology and also link, relate, and group items 
>> together. This led me to discover insights and subtleties that I had 
>> missed before.
>>Themes, ideas, and concepts from the end of the discussion dovetailed 
>>nicely with those made earlier. Arranging a Map View of my notes revealed 
>>these additional "ah-ha" moments.
>>Tinderbox not only allowed me to capture the information, but it actually 
>>showed me the way to extract additional value.
>>Engelbart spoke about automation and "smart agent" technology. It was one 
>>of the reoccurring themes of the discussion. As I arranged my notes in 
>>Tinderbox I added an Agent to find nuggets with these themes. I watched 
>>as the software quickly associated several notes that I had forgotten making.
>>Engelbart discussed how technology should be used to augment our 
>>abilities, to extend what we can do. Automating the mundane does not move 
>>us forward -- we should be building tools that augment our human 
>>capabilities -- making connections, thinking, communicating, and 
>>extending our knowledge.
>>I laughed aloud as I realized Tinderbox's had just done exactly that for 
>>me. Its "agent" feature was allowing me to gather a better understanding 
>>of this view of "smart agent" technology. How wonderfully recursive!
>An excellent short description of Tinderbox is at 
>http://www.deosil.com/doug/entry.php3?id=030520022256. Besides allowing 
>semantic mappings in a 2D (2 1/2?) space, it can manage incoming RSS feeds 
>(news, blogs, etc), and can output blogs. Small collaborative linkages of 
>blogs and RSS feeds can evolve from this. Much like Radio Userland, but 
>with a perhaps more powerful personal info interface.
>I used their Web Squirrel product in the past - dropped it for lack of 
>"handiness": speed to task-importance ratio. Similar problem with The 
>Brain. Perhaps this is better. It will be out soon for MacOS X and for 
>Windows. And all-XML is the way to go!
>- Mark
>>Eastgate have just released a product based on years of research in the 
>>hypertext community into spatial hypertext/idea structuring tools:
>>    http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/    (05)