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[ba-ohs-talk] Great Example

Notice that in this case Jack has used a style of response
to the list that includes 'complete' contents of an exchange
on a certain topic. Another style used by Rod might
instead might include a comment and link to reference
material in his or another respository. Now all I want to do
is update my notes from Ted's visit to SRI with the
new patent and trademark information, which includes
some e-mail from the old list. I just want to be able to
make a new node that now contains all I now know about
Ted and that connects to those other previous nodes that
contain supporting information, unfortunately, all the way
down to multiple copies of the example mail, each of which
contains less than 1pt nonDuplicatedContent.
Then, this new node may tell all or some of the other nodes
that they are now connected to this new one.
So now this has happened on my own personal node set
and I want to share it. My node set tells anyone elses node
set that there is a new connection. Now Jack may take a look
at this new node with the updated info and decide to incorporate
it into his node set instead of creating a new node himself.
He might link to my node or actually incorporate it into his node set,
at which time his node may tell my node that we have a new
There is no need for a node to change if it remains the same,
but it must at least report and retain the new connection.    (01)

In this example, I might be actually be sharing
a set of nodes with 5 other folks who are also in a hurry
to update a shared Top node on Ted with this new
TM and Patent info.
Do I update this node by a new link to the mail list?
Sure, a link to the mail with the info from Ted, and I
probably cut and paste the actual text into the new top
node on Ted, but now it is also becomes a matter of
negotiation between the folks who have an interest in
this node. Obvously anyone tracking OHS development
would be interested in the detailed examination of this
"Interactive connection, viewing, and maneuvering system for
complex data" and which may lead to other derived content
nodes.    (02)

Thank You and Best Regards,
Joe    (03)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Park" <jackpark@thinkalong.com>
To: <ba-ohs-talk@bootstrap.org>
Sent: April 25, 2002 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [ba-ohs-talk] :zz: ZigZag patent and trademark [Was: **** Instant
Outlining !!! ***]    (04)

On second thought, does this mean I should either stop playing with
zzstructure code or negotiate some deal to use it?    (05)

Jack    (06)

At 02:32 AM 4/25/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Dear Jack Park:
>Just to clear up a couple of trademark and patent matters:
>  You say
> >> I know of no patent infringement issues; zigzag was published a long time
> >> ago and I know of no patents on it.
>The patent is:
>United States Patent  6,262,736    July 17, 2001
>   "Interactive connection, viewing, and maneuvering system for
>  complex data".
>You say
> >>Ted's gonna have trouble with
> >> trademarks.  Just google zigzag to see why.
>There are many uses of "ZigZag".  The U.S. trademark on the use of
>  the name "ZigZag" for computer software was registered to me this
>  year.
>The registered trademark of "ZigZag" for software has no bearing
>  on the possible use of the trademark "ZigZag" by others for
>  nightclubs, perfume, cruises, condoms, floor tiling or whatever.
>Cheers, Ted Nelson
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Jack Park <jackpark@thinkalong.com>
> >To: <ba-ohs-talk@bootstrap.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:16 AM
> >Subject: Re: [ba-ohs-talk] Node Sequencing [Was: **** Instant Outlining !!!
> >***]
> >
> >
> >> I know of no patent infringement issues; zigzag was published a long time
> >> ago and I know of no patents on it.  OTOH, the gzz folks used to call
> >> themselves GZigZag and, at the urgings of Ted, dropped all references to
> >> ZigZag for trademark reasons. Ted's gonna have trouble with
> >> trademarks.  Just google zigzag to see why.
> >>
> >> No, you shouldn't back off anything.  I'm watching some really terrific
> >> creativity at work here.  I just injected zigzag to add a bit of
> >> spice.  Frankly, zigzag is one of those technologies that captivates me in
> >> a BigWay(tm), but, also frankly, I hate playing with gzz; it may well be
> >> that I'm not able to think in enough dimensions at the same time to make
> >it
> >> worthwhile, though I confess that watching Ted run it in his demos is an
> >> awesome site to behold.
> >>
> >> Jack
> >>
> >>
> >> At 04:09 PM 4/23/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> >> >Jack Park wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>At 10:21 AM 4/23/2002 +0000, Murray Altheim wrote:
> >> >[...]
> >> >>I am watching this and it occurs to me that this discussion is roaming
> >> >>awfully close to describing Ted Nelson's ZigZag
> >http://xanadu.com/zigzag/
> >> >>  and also at http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/gzz/, an open source Java
> >> >> program based on the zigzag structure.
> >> >[...]
> >> >>http://xanadu.com/zigzag/tutorial/ZZwelcome.html is a tutorial: "A half
> >> >>an hour that might change your life!"
> >> >>You simply must read the tutorial and play with gzz; there is no way I
> >> >>can explain it other than with this visualization: imagine tiny cells of
> >> >>addressable information existing in a large container.  Then, imagine
> >> >>taking needle and thread and stitching together into a string (a
> >> >>dimension!) whatever cells you like.  Then imagine another dimension
> >> >>stitching together more cells (and some of those already captured in
> >> >>another dimension).  Do this for a while and you have a massive,
> >> >>multidimensional representation of whatever those cells are about.  Now,
> >> >>you need to pull views out of that space.  That's what the gzz interface
> >> >>does.  With visual tricks, it gives you an approximation of any 3
> >> >>dimensions you want to see at the same time.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Jack,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Are you saying that this has already been done and I should lay off
> >> >the idea in order to avoid a patent infringement lawsuit?
> >> >
> >> >Yikes!
> >> >
> >> >Murray
> >> >
> >> >PS. Thanks for the link. I'll take a look.
> >> >......................................................................
> >> >Murray Altheim                  <http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/murray/>
> >> >Knowledge Media Institute
> >> >The Open University, Milton Keynes, Bucks, MK7 6AA, UK
> >> >
> >> >      In the evening
> >> >      The rice leaves in the garden
> >> >      Rustle in the autumn wind
> >> >      That blows through my reed hut.  -- Minamoto no Tsunenobu
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>Theodor Holm Nelson      .      Designer      .      Consultant
>Senior Fellow, the McLuhan Institute, Toronto, Canada
>Visiting Professor, University of Southampton, England
>  .  e-mail: ted@xanadu.net   .  world-wide fax 1/415/332-0136
>  .  http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~ted/    .  http://www.xanadu.net
>  . Coordinates in USA      Tel. 415/ 331-4422
>   Project Xanadu, 3020 Bridgeway #295, Sausalito CA 94965
>_________________________________________________    (07)