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Henry,    (01)

	when I am in my classes. I try to come up with
	little sayings that I say over and over to get
	some larger pattern named.    (02)

	In system administration, I say things like:    (03)

	Don't do something, if you can't backup.    (04)

	Or     (05)

	It's not done until it documented    (06)

	Or     (07)

	If it is not monitored , then it is not working.    (08)

	or     (09)

	If you can't measure it, then you can't manage it.    (010)

	I think that what gary is doing is naming a pattern.    (011)

	We don't have a name for this. But since we don't
	have a name, we tell a short story that names the pattern.    (012)

	And for me, that in fact is a helpful step. If you can
	get out of the details of a conversation and look at
	the deeper patterns, then you can actually achieve deeper
	understanding.    (013)

	Isn't the hard part of complicated conversations that
	we end up being unable to see the forest for the trees?    (014)

	So to have deep understanding of a conversation, don't
	you need to find a way to elevate the conversation above
	the details into larger principles and patterns?    (015)

Henry K van Eyken <vaneyken@sympatico.ca> writes:    (016)

 % Gary.
 % With due respect for you many thoughtful contributions, I must point out
 % that it is not hard to come up with some apt-looking statement for just
 % about any occasion. There is already much of that around on both sides
 % of the current argument and it does not help any attempt to try to think
 % more clearly about the issues involved.
 % I do appreciate your sentiment.
 % Henry
 % On Sun, 2003-03-23 at 10:43, Gary Richmond wrote:
 % > Naturally the common people don't want war....IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can 
  always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY
 % >                   -- Hermann Goering, Nuremberg Trials
 % > 
 % > I attended the anti-war march in NYC yesterday which had an estimated 125,000-200,000 participants. An excerpt from this excerpt was on several placards being carried.
 % > 
 % > Gary
 % > 
 % > 
 % > 
 %     (017)

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