From: Eric Armstrong <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Jack Park wrote:
>You said that
> you and Adam had played around with WBI and with Weblets. Would
> either of you be prepared to do a small report on what you've
> learned so far?
> More to the point: Summarizing the messages over the last 48-hours
> leads me to believe that what the group (or at least the vocal
> part of it) wants to do is table the existing agenda and devote
> some time to exploring the WBI approach. In the process, Doug
> should be derive whatever he needs for his trip to Washington.
> Can we identify those needs, and do we have any thoughts on the
> best way to go about the investigation?
I can do a few preliminary slides on WBI that show the direction I think
that architecture is going (assuming my health holds up). I would be
interested in entertaining discussion on alternatives to WBI, especially in
the event that it does not satisfy cross-platform requirements; the Windoz
version I downloaded has a dll. Alternatives might include the XML compiler
of Enhydra, DirectDom (weblets), and something new called JDom that will be
introduced in a new Java/XML book from O'Reilly (coming soon, I hope).
> > Remember, everything is supposed to draw from the original narrative.
> > It should read something like the combined works of marketing (what the
> > market thinks it wants), engineering (what folks think can be done), and
> > vision (what folks want to get done)...
> I like that concept very much. But it sounds like we need to defer
> that focus until after the Washington trip? I happen to think that
> focus is perfect, but that's not what I hear people demanding.
Perhaps the next meeting (tomorrow!) should focus on Doug's needs.
> > Doug's Augment sets the stage. Rod Welch brings to the table an
> > existence proof of concept for some aspects of a DKR. Visit his web
> > site. David Gelernter (another visionary) has brought to the table
> > another existence proof of concept (LifeStreams) which has some
> > fundamental similarities to Rod's work. Doug Lenat has demonstrated
> > existence proof of the concept of evolutionary epistemology (Eurisko),
> > and VerticalNet, the company for which I work, is generating proof of
> > the need for and value of ontological engineering (the study of what is)
> > at the bottom of everything. And under that lies knowledge
> > (Erics atomic structures)...
> Yes, this does seem important for a DKR. But in terms of our focus:
> Augmenting Open Source Development, isn't it premature to go that deep?
> I thought our primary focus was OHS-related, avoiding deeper knowledge
> issues, at least at the outset.
Interesting point. But then, if you focus the initial design on solving one
problem, you risk painting yourself into a corner that forces redesign later
on. I'm a "big picture" player, myself.
> > Thusly, it seems to me that our job should be to revisit the
> > narrative: mine this mailing list for gems and formulate a draft text.
> > Mine Rod's web site, his technology white papers and so forth, mine
> > Gelernter's work, look at Lenat's work, look around, and formulate a
> > final narrative that everyone can agree adequately lays out the vision,
> > the market, and the technology available to us.
> Again, I agree with this. I would add the step of evaluating the
> collaboration-projects currently in existence. That strikes me as the
> right design path. At this point, you have made 4 suggestions for
> the continuation:
> 1) Pursue the WBI vector
> 2) Follow an ISO 9000 path
> 3) Follow a path based on Nancy Glock's Knowledge Representation talk
> 4) Focus on building the narrative
> Which of these do you see as most important?
Great addition, evaluating existing stuff as part of the narrative. Which
do I prefer? Well, I'm playing with WBI, so ruling that one out, I'd much
prefer to build the narrative, since that's the first step in the other two.
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