Great notes.
This is the beginning of "knowledge management."
Rod
Yee Su Ling wrote:
>
> Minutes drafted by Su-Ling and improved by Eugene:
>
> OHS Meeting 6/1/2000, SRI Engineering Bldg, EK255
>
> Present: Doug Engelbart, Marcello Hoffman, Pat Lincoln, Eugene Kim,
> Eric Armstrong, John Deneen, Warren Stringer, Joe Williams, Tom Hill
> (conference call), Mary Coppernoll, Su-Ling C. Yee.
>
> 1) Pat and Doug related news from their Washington trip.
>
> Pat relayed that Werner Schaer (President, Software Productivity
> Consortium) is in favour of OHS, but SPC will not finance OHS
> development. However in line with their mission to help member
> companies, SPC will hold workshops and meetings on using OHS when it
> is ready. Doug noted that Werner is disappointed that Curt Carlson
> (CEO, SRI) is not more proactive. Pat adds that while Curt remains
> convinced of the benefit and is a strong supporter of the big vision,
> there's not been any Institute action. SRI is not a cash rich place
> right now. Curt is also not completely convinced about open source.
> Doug, on the other hand, is convinced intuitively about the importance
> of open source, but he noted that it would be nice to have facts to
> back up his intuition.
>
> 2) Tom Hill, who cofounded EOE with Jim Spohrer, was teleconferenced
> in, and introduced himself. We promised to e-mail him information
> about the unrev-ii mailing list, so he could participate in
> discussions.
>
> 3) Doug talked with Marcello (before meeting) and came up with four
> basic vectors to get off the ground:
>
> 1. OHS is the foundation
>
> 2. Finding an organization that will take over the organizational
> operational support. An eg of the need for that is international
> groups like the Millenium Project.
>
> 3. Building the DKRs.
>
> 4. A Fellows program. Inviting people -- executives, technical,
> HR, etc. -- from other countries and organizations to participate,
> where these people meet and work on a plan for an organization,
> building from their experience. Mei Lin Fung, native of
> Singapore, has spoken with Singapore government who is ready to do
> this.
>
> Marcello reported that his division will be spinning out from SRI and
> will probably be in a better position as a smaller organization to
> support this program. He has spoken to division head Bill Gunn about
> this, who has expressed interest, but wants to make sure the logistics
> are sorted out. Discussion follows about this: fellows have to
> support themselves, bring something to the table, that it is sure what
> they want to do is build Improvement Infrastructure, there's alignment
> and it doesn't turn out to be high-tech tourism.
>
> 4) Doug spent a day in Washington at the Genova Project. GP is
> putting together tools and human systems aspect, providing support for
> high level decision makers, intelligence, military, policy issues.
> Doug talked with them about OHS and addressability. They might be
> able to funnel money to us without any overhead time.
>
> 5) Pat notes that there are ways that can get funding from the
> government, model of sustainable project in SRI terms. For it, he
> needs a crisp statement of the big goal. A one paragraph statement of
> the first step in bullets and brief statements, eg. v.1 of
> OHS. Powerpoint slides are crucial for government funding.
>
> Eugene has taken all three summaries that have been done thus far and
> suggests we work on them to produce the statement for Pat.
>
> Marcello points out that in marketing, we need to target individuals,
> look for the hook.
>
> 6) John suggests a lead: Francis Heylighen who has a cooperative
> research agreement with Xerox.
>
> Eugene observes that there are lots of potential collaborations but
> we're not at that stage yet. Let's email leads to the list so this
> info will be archived for when we get to that stage.
>
> 7) Doug will do an internal seminar for VA Linux. We're currently
> trying to schedule it in three weeks. On the week of the 15th, he
> will also present at a workshop organized by SPC that's funded by
> ARPA.
>
> 8) Eugene proposes we move to working on Pat's needs. Because Pat had
> to leave the meeting early, Eugene proposed to table the first
> paragraph until next week, and talk about the second paragraph --
> identifying the "first step." Everyone agreed that the key to both
> paragraphs is the audience that is being targeted, which in this case
> is the government, people who may not have even heard of Doug.
>
> Doug suggested starting with software development documents,
> determining the multiple views we'd like to have, and
> transcoding/translating into that form. Eugene stated that central to
> doing this was coming up with an intermediate file format.
>
> Eric asked for a description of Augment's data structures. Doug said
> that was easily doable, and promised to put a presentation together.
>
> Marcello asked whether this first step could be demonstratable as
> early as possible. A demonstration would show the value of what we're
> doing, and would pique people's imaginations. Eugene added that the
> high-level use cases will outline what we want to demo.
>
> 9) Discussion of setting up demo of Augment and what's needed for
> it. This serves two purposes: It shows the team its capabilities, and
> can be used during presentations to others. Doug agreed to set up a
> demo for next week's meeting. Eugene and Joe volunteered to help Doug
> set it up, if he needs it.
>
> 10) More general design discussions followed. Doug emphasized the
> importance of citing e-mail, and his desire to add addressability to
> the current hypermail archive.
>
> 11) Summary of the "first step" discussion. Warren noted the
> advantage of having programmers as target community is that we can
> attract more programmers to the project. Queries, Directed Graph,
> Versioning, organizational bodies, audience in terms of
> bootstrapping.
>
> Eugene noted that there are two "first steps." Our own internal
> "first step" and the "first step" for Pat's audience. We can work out
> this latter paragraph next week, when Pat is back.
>
> Doug brought up a presentation he is doing for DARPA-funded workshop
> in two weeks. He's not completely familiar with the audience at that
> workshop, and solicited ideas for what to present to this group.
>
> John asked about Collab.net as a possible source of collaboration.
> Eugene reminded the group that they had met with Brian Behlendorf of
> Collab.net a few weeks ago. There's a lot of synergy, but funding is
> not likely, because Collab.net is a startup. VA Linux/SourceForge is
> a better shorter term opportunity. However, in both cases, we need to
> reach a certain stage before any group takes us seriously. It's
> important for us to achieve that stage before we can expect groups in
> general to take us seriously.
>
> Doug also brought up a presentation he's doing for Cadence at the end
> of the month. The company wants him to talk about this project.
>
> We all agreed that having demos ready as soon as possible is a good
> internal first step. Augment should serve as an initial demo, but
> Marcello noted that we need to have more visually exciting demos.
> Augment is so fast, it can be hard to follow what's going on without
> full concentration. Talked about mocking up demos, and proposed
> various ways of doing this.
>
> Warren proposes we have a show and tell, a presentation of what people
> in the team would like to do.
>
> 12) Joe said that he'd put together an initial glossary, but said that
> in order to do so, he wanted the group to contribute initial terms.
> Doug said to start with XML and XML-related terms. Eugene suggested
> "transcoding" and "translating."
>
> Doug said that if he received a copy of the glossary early enough, he
> would suck it into Augment, and show how Augment aided the
> collaborative development of glossaries.
>
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