Re: [unrev-II] Is "bootstrapping" part of the problem?

From: John J. Deneen (JJDeneen@ricochet.net)
Date: Tue Jan 09 2001 - 14:13:11 PST

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    Hi-Henry,

    Your right; I haven't heard any response about my 1/03/01 email concerning possible
    CoDIAK connections for bootstrapping, nor the following:

    > Subject: [unrev-II] Develop WORLDOMETER based on the state of the world's energy supply
    > Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:10:14 -0700
    > From: "John J. Deneen"
    > To: crane@sri.com
    > CC: unrev-II@egroups.com
    >
    > Ref.
    > State of the world's energy supply
    > http://www.bootstrap.org/colloquium/session_02/session_02_crane.html
    >
    > Hi- Hewitt,
    >
    > Base on your referenced presentation and the concept of a cubic-mile of
    > oil, please consider developing a WORLDOMETER for the World Game
    > website:
    >
    > The World Game Institute is a 27 year old non-profit research and
    > education organization whose mission is to supply the perspective and
    > information needed to solve the critical problems facing global society
    > of the twenty-first century.
    > http://www.worldgame.org
    >
    > Thanks,
    > --John Deneen
    >
    Henry van Eyken wrote:

    > Thanks for the "Tozer" reference, Jack. I didn't even know there was software
    > for web rings and a look at it gave something to bear in mind.
    >
    > Also to bear in mind is that this forum leans heavily toward the technology side
    > with only occasional attention given to the societal side. Eventually we must
    > put technology in the service of society, notably global issues such as brought
    > out in the Colloquium, but, sorry to say, I haven't seen sufficient rapport on
    > that issue since.
    >
    > I guess the best we can do for now is to keep that option open on our website.
    >
    > Henry
    >
    > Jack Park wrote:
    >
    > > My wife's web site (http://www.internationalstafford.com) is a member of a
    > > webcircle she created using www.webring.org.
    > > webring.org now vectors you to http://dir.webring.yahoo.com/rw
    > > Go there for instructions on automating a web ring. Unfortunately, when a
    > > nice smallish web site gets bought out by the really big fish in the pond,
    > > clax est. At the yahoo site, I went to the section called
    > > investments-->software and got a web site that says this:
    > > "ALL ABOUT MY 86 IROC-Z, THE CHANGES I'VE MADE, AND WHAT I PLAN TO DO NEXT"
    > > I would really hate to think we get categorized into a group of sites like
    > > that. Anybody know of any webring management software out there that could
    > > be installed, say, at bootstrap.org?
    > > Google found this:
    > > http://www.tozer.demon.co.uk/webring/tech.html an html/javascript that runs
    > > a webring.
    > >
    > > Jack
    > >
    > > From: Henry van Eyken <vaneyken@sympatico.ca>
    > >
    > > > Following through on your suggestion, Jack, I might as well begin to
    > > collect
    > > > information about sites that appear suitable candidates for a "ring." We
    > > could
    > > > create a page on the Bootstrap site with URLs and each one followed by a
    > > > one-paragraph thumbnail of what the site is about and what oomph there is
    > > behind
    > > > it.
    > > >
    > > > One can be sure there are hundreds if not thousands of sites and, hence,
    > > we
    > > > shall need to classify them, etc. So as to avoid cluttering this forum and
    > > the
    > > > Bootstrap site, it might be best if individuals mail me suggested URLs
    > > along
    > > > with suitably short, but properly discriminating descriptions in plain,
    > > everyday
    > > > vernacular. Then, after sorting and publishing the raw list on a site, a
    > > number
    > > > of us may together examine the growing harvest and see how best to take it
    > > from
    > > > there.
    > > >
    > > > Henry
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Jack Park wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > Henry,
    > > > >
    > > > > Extremely, even passionately realistic, IMHO. For an instance (just one
    > > of
    > > > > many) of people doing what you suggest, consider this web site
    > > > > http://www.universimmedia.com/ <http://www.universimmedia.com/>
    > > > > as maintained by Bernard Vatant. All of this is certainly in keeping
    > > with
    > > > > Doug's vision as expressed in the Unrev-II seminars.
    > > > >
    > > > > What is clear to me is that it is, if nothing else, time to create (if
    > > one
    > > > > does not yet exist) a web ring that links all such web sites together.
    > > > >
    > > > > Jack
    > > > >
    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > > > From: Henry van <mailto:vaneyken@sympatico.ca> Eyken
    > > > >
    > > > > "John J. Deneen" wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > CoDIAK connections for bootstrapping? ... Facilitated Co-Evolution
    > > within
    > > > > our Cyberinfrastructures .... in pursuit "As much as possible, to boost
    > > > > mankind's collective capability for coping with complex, urgent
    > > problems."
    > > > >
    > > http://www.interact.nsf.gov/cise/conferences.nsf/Pages/DF13365846765A5D85256
    > > > > 9A70060AA95
    > > > >
    > > <http://www.interact.nsf.gov/cise/conferences.nsf/Pages/DF13365846765A5D8525
    > > > > 69A70060AA95>
    > > > >
    > > > > May I suggest bootstrapping the development of OHS/DKR technology in
    > > context
    > > > > with Digital Earth (.geo) and Information-In-Place(s), along with
    > > testing
    > > > > knowledge management approaches by Cliff Joslyn's Global Brain, Jack
    > > Park's
    > > > > Ontology and Topic Maps, and Rod Welch's Schedule Diary System (SDS) for
    > > a
    > > > > pilot project proposed by the Western Hemisphere Knowledge Partnership
    > > 21?
    > > > > &c
    > > > >
    > > > > Yes, John, as far as I am concerned this is, in principle, an excellent
    > > > > suggestion. A similar idea was taking shape in my mind when
    > > experimenting
    > > > > with the Fleabyte pages, see
    > > http://www.fleabyte.org/archives-one_world.html
    > > > > <http://www.fleabyte.org/archives-one_world.html> :
    > > > >
    > > > > 20 November 1999
    > > > > The seventh day
    > > > >
    > > > > Why not spare, say once a week, a thought for the world at large? Why
    > > not
    > > > > periodically interrupt our immediate concerns to sacrifice a moment for
    > > the
    > > > > concerns of our larger community? Why not once in awhile look at the
    > > whole
    > > > > to better perceive our place in the larger scheme of things? &c
    > > > >
    > > > > You will find on our home page ( http://www.bootstrap.org
    > > > > <http://www.bootstrap.org> ) a greyed-out menu item called "context."
    > > It is
    > > > > intended to include on our site a web magazine that puts Doug's work in
    > > the
    > > > > context of that by many of like mind, people who share his ultimate
    > > > > objective.
    > > > >
    > > > > What I am dreaming of is a high-quality publication that serves as an
    > > > > immediary between a literate public and those working in the wide
    > > variety of
    > > > > domains that recognize we have sofar only one common spaceship in this
    > > > > universe and it is high time to put an end to, let's call it, "space
    > > rage,"
    > > > > which, like air rage should be perceived as a crime. Buckminsyter Fuller
    > > > > used to call it "Spaceship Earth."
    > > > >
    > > > > Such a publication would be maintained by a volunteer staff of suitably
    > > > > proficient people. I perceive a level of quality set by "The Economist"
    > > (see
    > > > > http://www.economist.com/ <http://www.economist.com/> ), but with these
    > > > > differences:
    > > > >
    > > > > 1. The guiding theme the commonality of resources. I like here Thomas
    > > > > Malony's way of putting it: "The vision is a society in which all of the
    > > > > basic human needs and a fair share of human wants can be met by
    > > successive
    > > > > generations while maintaining a healthy, physically attractive, and
    > > > > biologically productive environment." An economics of a slightly
    > > different
    > > > > color, so to speak.
    > > > >
    > > > > 2. Replacing their static archibves by a dynamic archival system, a DKR.
    > > > >
    > > > > 3. Put an emphasis on such a publication's experimental, evolutionary
    > > > > character. In fact, I have in mind working it as a research effort in
    > > > > publishing (A, B and C activities all there).
    > > > >
    > > > > At this point we are not short of the "right spirit," nor are we short
    > > of
    > > > > top-drawer starting ideas. We could start today as far as I am
    > > concerned.
    > > > > Unfortunately, we need the sort of structure and commitment to it that
    > > > > ordinarily only money can put in place. Without that structure and
    > > > > commitment we are nowhere.
    > > > >
    > > > > The first things I am looking for are:
    > > > >
    > > > > 1. Bringing our site up to a higher level of quality in sofar
    > > web-publishing
    > > > > standards are concerned.
    > > > >
    > > > > 2. Seeing the issue of "permanence" resolved, i.e. gaining an assurance
    > > that
    > > > > this site has a reasonably long-range future.
    > > > >
    > > > > 3. Attracting quality management. I am thinking of volunteers with the
    > > > > required experience and vision capable of attracting journalistic talent
    > > and
    > > > > putting the resources we already have to best possible use.
    > > > >
    > > > > Am I being realistic? I can only hope so.
    > > > >
    > > > > Henry
    > > > >
    > > > >
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