Hi-Henry,
Your right; I haven't heard any response about my 1/03/01 email concerning possible
CoDIAK connections for bootstrapping, nor the following:
> Subject: [unrev-II] Develop WORLDOMETER based on the state of the world's energy supply
> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:10:14 -0700
> From: "John J. Deneen"
> To: crane@sri.com
> CC: unrev-II@egroups.com
>
> Ref.
> State of the world's energy supply
> http://www.bootstrap.org/colloquium/session_02/session_02_crane.html
>
> Hi- Hewitt,
>
> Base on your referenced presentation and the concept of a cubic-mile of
> oil, please consider developing a WORLDOMETER for the World Game
> website:
>
> The World Game Institute is a 27 year old non-profit research and
> education organization whose mission is to supply the perspective and
> information needed to solve the critical problems facing global society
> of the twenty-first century.
> http://www.worldgame.org
>
> Thanks,
> --John Deneen
>
Henry van Eyken wrote:
> Thanks for the "Tozer" reference, Jack. I didn't even know there was software
> for web rings and a look at it gave something to bear in mind.
>
> Also to bear in mind is that this forum leans heavily toward the technology side
> with only occasional attention given to the societal side. Eventually we must
> put technology in the service of society, notably global issues such as brought
> out in the Colloquium, but, sorry to say, I haven't seen sufficient rapport on
> that issue since.
>
> I guess the best we can do for now is to keep that option open on our website.
>
> Henry
>
> Jack Park wrote:
>
> > My wife's web site (http://www.internationalstafford.com) is a member of a
> > webcircle she created using www.webring.org.
> > webring.org now vectors you to http://dir.webring.yahoo.com/rw
> > Go there for instructions on automating a web ring. Unfortunately, when a
> > nice smallish web site gets bought out by the really big fish in the pond,
> > clax est. At the yahoo site, I went to the section called
> > investments-->software and got a web site that says this:
> > "ALL ABOUT MY 86 IROC-Z, THE CHANGES I'VE MADE, AND WHAT I PLAN TO DO NEXT"
> > I would really hate to think we get categorized into a group of sites like
> > that. Anybody know of any webring management software out there that could
> > be installed, say, at bootstrap.org?
> > Google found this:
> > http://www.tozer.demon.co.uk/webring/tech.html an html/javascript that runs
> > a webring.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > From: Henry van Eyken <vaneyken@sympatico.ca>
> >
> > > Following through on your suggestion, Jack, I might as well begin to
> > collect
> > > information about sites that appear suitable candidates for a "ring." We
> > could
> > > create a page on the Bootstrap site with URLs and each one followed by a
> > > one-paragraph thumbnail of what the site is about and what oomph there is
> > behind
> > > it.
> > >
> > > One can be sure there are hundreds if not thousands of sites and, hence,
> > we
> > > shall need to classify them, etc. So as to avoid cluttering this forum and
> > the
> > > Bootstrap site, it might be best if individuals mail me suggested URLs
> > along
> > > with suitably short, but properly discriminating descriptions in plain,
> > everyday
> > > vernacular. Then, after sorting and publishing the raw list on a site, a
> > number
> > > of us may together examine the growing harvest and see how best to take it
> > from
> > > there.
> > >
> > > Henry
> > >
> > >
> > > Jack Park wrote:
> > >
> > > > Henry,
> > > >
> > > > Extremely, even passionately realistic, IMHO. For an instance (just one
> > of
> > > > many) of people doing what you suggest, consider this web site
> > > > http://www.universimmedia.com/ <http://www.universimmedia.com/>
> > > > as maintained by Bernard Vatant. All of this is certainly in keeping
> > with
> > > > Doug's vision as expressed in the Unrev-II seminars.
> > > >
> > > > What is clear to me is that it is, if nothing else, time to create (if
> > one
> > > > does not yet exist) a web ring that links all such web sites together.
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Henry van <mailto:vaneyken@sympatico.ca> Eyken
> > > >
> > > > "John J. Deneen" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > CoDIAK connections for bootstrapping? ... Facilitated Co-Evolution
> > within
> > > > our Cyberinfrastructures .... in pursuit "As much as possible, to boost
> > > > mankind's collective capability for coping with complex, urgent
> > problems."
> > > >
> > http://www.interact.nsf.gov/cise/conferences.nsf/Pages/DF13365846765A5D85256
> > > > 9A70060AA95
> > > >
> > <http://www.interact.nsf.gov/cise/conferences.nsf/Pages/DF13365846765A5D8525
> > > > 69A70060AA95>
> > > >
> > > > May I suggest bootstrapping the development of OHS/DKR technology in
> > context
> > > > with Digital Earth (.geo) and Information-In-Place(s), along with
> > testing
> > > > knowledge management approaches by Cliff Joslyn's Global Brain, Jack
> > Park's
> > > > Ontology and Topic Maps, and Rod Welch's Schedule Diary System (SDS) for
> > a
> > > > pilot project proposed by the Western Hemisphere Knowledge Partnership
> > 21?
> > > > &c
> > > >
> > > > Yes, John, as far as I am concerned this is, in principle, an excellent
> > > > suggestion. A similar idea was taking shape in my mind when
> > experimenting
> > > > with the Fleabyte pages, see
> > http://www.fleabyte.org/archives-one_world.html
> > > > <http://www.fleabyte.org/archives-one_world.html> :
> > > >
> > > > 20 November 1999
> > > > The seventh day
> > > >
> > > > Why not spare, say once a week, a thought for the world at large? Why
> > not
> > > > periodically interrupt our immediate concerns to sacrifice a moment for
> > the
> > > > concerns of our larger community? Why not once in awhile look at the
> > whole
> > > > to better perceive our place in the larger scheme of things? &c
> > > >
> > > > You will find on our home page ( http://www.bootstrap.org
> > > > <http://www.bootstrap.org> ) a greyed-out menu item called "context."
> > It is
> > > > intended to include on our site a web magazine that puts Doug's work in
> > the
> > > > context of that by many of like mind, people who share his ultimate
> > > > objective.
> > > >
> > > > What I am dreaming of is a high-quality publication that serves as an
> > > > immediary between a literate public and those working in the wide
> > variety of
> > > > domains that recognize we have sofar only one common spaceship in this
> > > > universe and it is high time to put an end to, let's call it, "space
> > rage,"
> > > > which, like air rage should be perceived as a crime. Buckminsyter Fuller
> > > > used to call it "Spaceship Earth."
> > > >
> > > > Such a publication would be maintained by a volunteer staff of suitably
> > > > proficient people. I perceive a level of quality set by "The Economist"
> > (see
> > > > http://www.economist.com/ <http://www.economist.com/> ), but with these
> > > > differences:
> > > >
> > > > 1. The guiding theme the commonality of resources. I like here Thomas
> > > > Malony's way of putting it: "The vision is a society in which all of the
> > > > basic human needs and a fair share of human wants can be met by
> > successive
> > > > generations while maintaining a healthy, physically attractive, and
> > > > biologically productive environment." An economics of a slightly
> > different
> > > > color, so to speak.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Replacing their static archibves by a dynamic archival system, a DKR.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Put an emphasis on such a publication's experimental, evolutionary
> > > > character. In fact, I have in mind working it as a research effort in
> > > > publishing (A, B and C activities all there).
> > > >
> > > > At this point we are not short of the "right spirit," nor are we short
> > of
> > > > top-drawer starting ideas. We could start today as far as I am
> > concerned.
> > > > Unfortunately, we need the sort of structure and commitment to it that
> > > > ordinarily only money can put in place. Without that structure and
> > > > commitment we are nowhere.
> > > >
> > > > The first things I am looking for are:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Bringing our site up to a higher level of quality in sofar
> > web-publishing
> > > > standards are concerned.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Seeing the issue of "permanence" resolved, i.e. gaining an assurance
> > that
> > > > this site has a reasonably long-range future.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Attracting quality management. I am thinking of volunteers with the
> > > > required experience and vision capable of attracting journalistic talent
> > and
> > > > putting the resources we already have to best possible use.
> > > >
> > > > Am I being realistic? I can only hope so.
> > > >
> > > > Henry
> > > >
> > > >
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