Some excellent points.
I'd like to make a couple of other comments on Groove:
* Very non-standard user interface -- difficult to learn and get productive
with
* A lot like notes -- Cool back end technology, strange, non-standard front
end
* Wants to re-define the world in terms of it as opposed to extending the
way things currently are
* A bizarre anti-browser/anti-java perspective. They seemingly believe that
their fat client should be the only way to access groove technology as
opposed to realizing that their value is in the back end, data store and
transport. A bunch of other collaboration companies have made this error
over time -- i.e. Notes (which released Domino with a full HTML client) and
eRoom (originally fat client and now available via www.eroom.net).
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Armstrong [mailto:eric.armstrong@eng.sun.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:42 PM
To: unrev-II@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [unrev-II] Peer to Peer and Email...
Groove negatives:
/-windows only
/-requires IE 4.0 or better, it seems
Still, as basis for collaboration, it seems valuable.
(Especially in light of a "simple collaboration system"
proposal I'll be putting the finish touches on in the
next couple of days.)
Eric Armstrong wrote:
>
> I believe this system has come up for discussion before.
> But as I've had occasion to take a closer look, I thought
> I'd share these comments from the Grooves pdf file:
>
> "When one looks at the most popular uses of the
> Internet in general, it is readily apparent that
> email far outdistances Web browsing and electronic
> commerce. In survey after survey, email remains
> the primary driver of Internet use and adoption.
> It is no wonder then, that the most widespread use of
> Internet peer computing is not music- or file-swapping,
> but rather instant messaging."
>
> "Innovative, standalone peer computing tools such as Napster and
> gnutella may indeed represent the ‘thin edge of the wedge’ that
> will open up into an entirely new dimension of computing. If so, we
> can expect the next phase of this trend to unveil a general purpose
> platform – like the desktop operating system or the Web server –
> upon which a wide variety of applications can be built and
> deployed."
>
> "Groove is a virtual space for small group interaction. The
> Groove transceiver – the “space” in which you work -- includes
> capabilities that lend themselves to natural and intuitive group
> interactivity. These include communication media (live voice over
> the Internet, instant messaging, text-based chat, and threaded
> discussion)..."
>
> "Each Groove shared space is stored locally, on the computers
> of each of the members of the shared space. When one member
> adds something new to the space, that change is reflected on
> everyone’s machine..."
>
> "If a member has disconnected from the Internet, Groove
> .... saves all the member’s content and changes locally.
> When the member reconnects, all of his changes and additions
> are sent to all other members. In turn, all changes other
> members have made ... are immediately sent to the reconnected
> member’s space as well."
>
> "Never have to save. Every change made in Groove – every
> keystroke, line drawn, gesture – is stored right away in
> Groove’s XML storage system."
>
> "Multiple computers. Many people will use Groove with a
> desktop, a laptop, a home machine, a work machine, etc.
> Users do not need to manually keep each of them synchronized:
> Groove automatically keeps the content of all spaces on all
> machines in synch." (Talk about a GODSEND...)
>
> "Flexibility and adaptability. As a member of a shared space,
> whenever any user needs or wants additional functionality, he
> can add it from a more extensive selection of tools, developed
> by Groove Networks and its partners (and/or by in-house
> developers) available on groove.net."
>
> "XML Object Store. All content and activities are stored locally on
> the user’s device in Groove’s XML object store. By using an object
> store instead of an XML file system, Groove improves system
> performance. In addition, Groove compresses the XML content for
> efficiency."
>
> "Groove’s innovative peer connection services automatically
> and transparently cross firewalls and network address
> translators so that users never need to go through special
> steps to set up a shared space."
>
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