Agreed, Eric. Having worked with them for months now, I am awre of some
weaknesses that need to be resolved.
On the subject of iconizing, an interesting way of doing things is found in
Frode Hegland's "OHS Overview":
http://www.liquid.org/ohs_overview/
There you have a document's elements covertly identified by a terminal
underscore.
Myself, I wonder if it is possible to have an optional hyperlink entered in
the markup language, one that is invisible (i.e. takes the color of the
background), but is rendered visible by strike-over. Not only would the
links drop out of sight, but you eliminate the high desirability they be
sequential.That would also eliminate the need for consistent usage of a
numbering system among various writers of pages.
At any rate, right now, by their full application throughout all sorts of
pages found in a website, we ate least get some experience in their strength
and weaknesses. Eventually, we should be bootstrapping our way out to a
bettter way of doing things.
Henry
Eric Armstrong wrote:
> The ability to link to paragraphs is of course desirable.
> The existence of an identifier that you can drag and drop
> or copy and paste to create such a link is also a great
> idea.
>
> Whether those identifiers need to be numbers is debatable.
>
> I was throwing open the option that a small icon would
> work just as well.
>
> The numbers are fine as long as the text is not long, the
> hierarchy does not go too deep, and the content remains
> stable, so that 9A4 is always found in the same place.
>
> The numbers become less useful when:
> a) The numbers become large and/or hierarchies get
> very deep, Here's an extreme case:
> 34900AFCDRS6487BGHIC6214
>
> Something like that is unlikely in an email message,
> might well occur if information contained in a database
> were somehow added to the system.
>
> b) Things move around, so that 9E6 becomes the first
> entry in the document, and 3A7 is the last.
>
> In either of those two cases, a simple icon may be as
> useful, from the standpoint of accessing information
> based on the numbers.
>
> Where numbers are short, though, I agree that the number
> system, in effect, adds new "words" to the vocabulary.
>
> At some point, for example, we might carry on a conversation
> about the "9D" concept, you refer to below. In that case,
> we have added a new word to our vocabulary (9D) that
> encasulates all the thoughts presented there. (If we were
> happen to talk about that subject a lot, "9D" might come
> to be equated with www.bootstrap.org/index.html#9D, whereas
> when talking about paragraphs in other documents labeled
> "9D", we would have to qualify the name ("Henry's 9D") to
> be clear about what we meant.
>
> These thoughts just occurred to me, so I am leaning back
> towards numbers, rather than icons -- for the reason that
> they provide a mechansim for adding new and useful words
> to our verbal vocabulary. (Darwinian selection will dictate
> which words emerge as standard.)
>
> Henry van Eyken wrote:
> >
> > Hope this one is more like it:
> >
> > http://www.bootstrap.org/index.html#9D
> >
> > Henry
> >
> > Henry van Eyken wrote:
> >
> > > I am confounded.
> > >
> > > The paragraph quoted below was in a piece of private correspondence
> > to
> > > Frode, with a copy to Nicholas. Interesting how it ended up on this
> > forum.
> > >
> > > At any rate, to clarify, I was concerned with an issue of web-page
> > design.
> > > As for the usefulness of the numbers in working with documents, they
> > serve
> > > for referencing components of documents. Instead of an ordinary URL,
> > we may
> > > now profit from URLs with specific location included. Try <
> > > http://www.bootsrap.org/index.html#9D >. I also understand that this
> > > usefulness is particularly profound when working with Augment.
> > >
> > > Henry
> > >
> > > Eric Armstrong wrote:
> > >
> > > > Henry van Eyken wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > > > Am cc-ing Nicholas. As one who makes his living with website
> > > > > architecture and
> > > > > design issues, he is, professionally, quite averse to using the
> > "funny
> > > > > purple numbers."
> > > > >
> > > > For what it's worth, I agree with Nicholas.
> > > >
> > > > The numbers aren't of much use if you can drag and drop the
> > > > pointers anyway. When that capability didn't exist, I'm sure
> > > > they made life easier.
> > > >
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