I don't think www.shout.net uses e-mail. It appears to be a Web only
interface. It also doesn't appear to use MIME.
When I was using Netscape Messenger for e-mail I had the option to
view messages by thread. It appears Netscape Messenger used two
methods for finding a thread, Subject & Message-ID. Below is a list
of headers from a Netscape message:
Message-ID: <010401bf494e$e6d8ae20$47c5f5d1@biatch>
From: "Michael @ MicroRationale" <michael@microrationale.com>
To: <drobinso@nrg.com.au>
References: <009501bf23bf$c5fbc340$53cc163f@biatch>
<381D3C67.3A306E6C@nrg.com.au>
<01fb01bf24b9$091cdf20$83cc163f@biatch>
<38214C52.35944612@nrg.com.au>
<004301bf26a4$999a9500$ed681b3f@biatch>
<3843329C.AA8B6835@nrg.com.au>
<003c01bf3bc8$90fa8b60$e1c2f5d1@biatch>
<385B62A2.DE36B574@nrg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Congratulations: You are a winner in my auction!
The reference header appears to show past Message-IDs that I have
sent to Michael. So Netscape could allow me to see those past
messages if I haven't deleted them.
But this only references the whole message not paragraphs that may
have been quoted when replying. It would be nice if I could move my
cursor over the paragraph that was quoted from a previous message I
have sent and tell the e-mail client to open the message from my sent
mail box and show me the complete message. For kicks it would be nice
to have a check content option that would verify if the text quoted
is the same text I sent and not modified in anyway.
I don't know of anyone using MIME to create Content-IDs that allow
the user to view/find the complete message the paragraph was cut from.
At 11:59 -0800 2/1/2001, John J. Deneen wrote:
>Do you know of a working example? Is the following info about the
>Collaborative Writing Engine a possible example?
>
>The Collaborative Writing Engine is a tool for building essays, poems,
>stories, novels, hypertexts, discussions and as-yet-unheard-of-forms of
>literary produce in a context that allows and invites participation by
>anyone with WWW access.
>http://www.shout.net/sigfried/cwe4/doc_list.cgi
>
>David L Robinson wrote:
>
>> At 8:04 -0800 22/12/2000, Garold L. Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> [Garold L. Johnson] The major problems with email all relate to
>>> linking, at least to a first approximation. Since emails have no
>>> unique identifiers, tying even a reply to a specific email much less
>>> a specific reference is difficult since there is nothing unique to
>>> which an email can refer. Hence we end up doing a lot of quoting
>>> because we can't refer to an email uniquely much less in a fine
>>> grained way, and there is no way of knowing how much of the email
>>> traffic any new viewer has.
>>
>>> Egroups assigns a message number to every message it receives, but
>>> that number is not reflected in the email that is sent to the list.
>>> The originator doesn't know it since it isn't assigned until it is
>>> received by egroup.
>>
>> Just a note on the unique identifiers point. E-mail does have a
>> unique identifier its called Message-ID.See
>> http://community.roxen.com/developers/idocs/rfc/rfc2392.html The RFC
>> 2392 also mentions unique identifiers to content (CID). So you could
>> have a MIME e-mail with each paragraph a MIME entity with a unique CID
>> which could easily be cross referenced just like a HTML "A NAME=" Tag.
>> Usually the E-mail body is just one MIME entity as no one has thought
>> about the benefits of having each paragraph a MIME entity. An
>> advantage of using this RFC is standard E-mail clients can be modified
>> so linking to specific parts of a past E-mail would be possible. --
> > David Robinson
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