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RE: Another such tool: Re: [ba-ohs-talk] Mind mapping tool

>The web site tells you everything except how much it costs and how to get
>it. Any time I see this sort of thing, I assume that it is going to cost a
>*lot* more than I am willing to pay. Plus, it annoys me not to be able to
>get some idea of price.    (01)

Heh - yes, it is frustrating. I must confess to the same sin, in that I've
got a lot of product description on the web, yet the product itself is as
yet vapourware - my own excuses are that I wanted to get some feedback
regarding what the users want, and that development time is exceeding
expectations (not uncommon!).    (02)

Incidentally, <market research hat on> what would you consider a reasonable
price for such a tool? and what features would you consider essential?    (03)

<salesman hat on> I can however assure you that my own product will be
priced such that it will be within most individual budgets (one of my
guiding principles is that I would buy it - and I've spent less than $200 in
total on software in the last year).    (04)

Al - you mention that Compendium has the RDF characteristic, do you have any
more details?    (05)

Danny.    (06)

>Garold (Gary) L. Johnson
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>In addition to the tools Danny mentions, Compendium
>(www.compendiuminstitute.org) has all the desired characteristics -- XML,
>RDF, and Jabber-friendly, represents nodes in multiple views (in fact it
>takes that quite far), etc.
>"Danny Ayers" <danny666@virgilio.it>@bootstrap.org on 10/29/2002 05:14:05
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>Subject:    RE: Another such tool: Re: [ba-ohs-talk] Mind mapping tool
>>Thanks. I read about something called "Grokker" last
>>night, too. Any word on that?
>>Alex Shapiro wrote:
>>> Here is some more info about Groxis
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/27/technology/27SOFT.html
>>> http://slashdot.org/articles/02/10/27/192225.shtml?tid=95
>>> So far I haven't found any info to impress me.  It seems that all they
>>> it take cluster suggestions such as those returned by www.vivismo.com
>>> form a hierarchical map out of them.  The problem with hierarchical
>>> is that they don't give you a sense of how an item could fall
>>into multiple
>>> categories.  This same data could have been rendered using Inxight's
>>> tree.
>Or for that matter with TouchGraph  (as Alex modestly neglects to mention)
>I agree with Alex's point about the limitations of hierachical views, and
>it's a common drawback to virtually all the 'mindmapper' type tools,
>whatever their subject matter. For such tools to become *really* useful, in
>my opinion they will need to have at least two fundamental characteristics
>a (node & arc) graph based model; a globally interoperable data format.
>There appear to be two major alternatives available for the model/format -
>XML Topic Maps (XTM) and Resource Description Framework (RDF). (I'm
>currently working on a tool of this type primarily using the latter).
>I'm sure that this has already been noted, but just for the record there's
>also the CMapTools tool :
>which is already in very widespread use in schools etc, and from what I
>gather has until recently been using a proprietary format for data
>interchange, but will in the near future use XTM.
>Danny Ayers
>Idea maps for the Semantic Web
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>    (07)