Re: Adding <meta> tags to XML documents

[Eric Armstrong <eric.armstrong@eng.sun.com>]

The word "sucks" was, of course, too harsh. But it was 
aimed at concepts, not people. I took liberties with 
the language, forgetting that there are new people 
involved who have't had the history to understand my 
intentions.    (01)

I believe that the archive will show that I've written
something in the neighborhood of 50,000 words on the
subject of how best to share and reuse ideas and 
information. I don't think that any of that material
reflected an inclination to be closed minded, unhelpful,
or obstructive. And I really can't say that I enjoy
being labeled as such.    (02)

On the other hand, I've probably already contributed the
best thinking I have on the subject, and I'm not sure
how much more I can really do.    (03)

I'm an artist and mathematician by tempermant and training,
not an engineer. So I like "perfect" solutions. They're
few and far between, of course. More is the pity.    (04)

The concept of keeping meta data externally has always had
the  problem of maintaining updates. The concept of keeping
it internally has the problems I alluded to in the most 
recent post -- the difficulty of classifying information
in other ways at a later date.    (05)

Neither solution is 100% golden. I'm impressed that you 
have come up with method that allows either (or both) to
be employed. That combination might well provide the
best of both worlds.    (06)


Murray Altheim wrote:
> 
> Eugene Eric Kim wrote:
> >
> > Whoa there, fellas!  Seems like some bad feelings are spilling over from
> > that thread on ohs-dev.  Let's step back for a second, and try to clarify
> > some things.
> >
> > As I see it, Murray's original response to Eric's on the ohs-dev list
> > was basically asking Eric to be more explicit in his criticism.  Murray
> > probably took the tone of Eric's message a little too personally, but
> > besides that, I thought his request was perfectly reasonable.  And Eric
> > was more explicit in his subsequent message to ohs-lc.  Following that,
> > however, Eric returned the favor by taking Murray's response a little too
> > personally.  So let's call it even then, and shift our focus back to the
> > content of this discussion, which I think has been very constructive thus
> > far.
> 
> Well, I did find the tone a bit harsh. I sent yet another reply a bit
> ago but forgot to set my laptop's clock (which forgets the time more than
> I do), so it perhaps escaped your notice. It's attached below. I would
> find further discussion on in-document vs. ex-document metadata valuable,
> valuable with Eric included if he is willing.
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Augmented Metadata in XHTML
> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:28:27 -0700
> From: Murray Altheim <altheim@eng.sun.com>
> Reply-To: ohs-dev@bootstrap.org
> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> To: ohs-dev@bootstrap.org
> References: <3B28A39B.C5CAE7F0@eng.sun.com> <3B390847.B9B44AE1@eng.sun.com> <3B3933E2.740A7EB8@eng.sun.com> <3B3A87BB.16A40DDA@eng.sun.com>
> 
> Eric Armstrong wrote:
> >
> > Murray Altheim wrote:
> > >
> > > You're a lot of help. You complain about someone else's strategy,
> > > don't provide any reasons why is "sucks," and then ask others to
> > > provide that for you. I don't find this particularly helpful
> > > feedback. Please elaborate.
> > >
> > I apologize for offending you.
> > I will now bow out of this thread.
> 
> Perhaps I'm too easily offended. Don't worry too much about that,
> I didn't take it personally. But rather than bow out, why not
> elaborate on why in your opinion it sucks? I'm very much seeking
> feedback, and negative feedback is more valuable than positive if
> it includes details. [Sometimes it's easier to do this in person,
> as we both know the difficulties of conflict resolution in email.]
> 
> Murray
> 
> ...........................................................................
> Murray Altheim                            <mailto:altheim&#x40;eng.sun.com>
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