BTW: Could we move the discussion to ba-ohs-talk??
It's time to start shutting down this list.
Peter Jones wrote:
> OK, I've just read a Dervin paper:
>
> ttp://communication.sbs.ohio-state.edu/sense-making/art/artdervin83.html
>
> AN OVERVIEW OF SENSE-MAKING RESEARCH:
> CONCEPTS, METHODS, AND RESULTS TO DATE
> by: Brenda Dervin
>
> It comes with a proviso:
>
> Notes:
> This 1983 presentation of the Sense-Making approach is now out of date
> but
> still provides a foundation for interested readers. For more
> up-to-date
> works, see the various bibliographic listings on this on-line site.
>
> As I read that paper it does emphasize the importance of active
> information
> seeking by individuals, but omits any notion of their reaction to that
>
> information.
>
> Or from:
> On studying information seeking methodologically: the
> implications of connecting metatheory to method
> Brenda Dervin*
> Ohio State University, 3016 Derby Hall, Columbus, OH 43210, USA
> Accepted 20 April 1999
>
> ttp://communication.sbs.ohio-state.edu/sense-making/art/artdervin01.pdf
>
> "Sense-Making mandates a focus on the hows of human individual and
> collective sense-
> making and sense-unmaking, on the varieties of internal and external
> cognizings, emotings,
> feelings, and communicatings that make, reinforce, challenge, resist,
> alter,
> and reinvent human
> worlds."
>
> Funny how the word persuasion or self-persuasion could cover so much
> of that
> list.
>
> "Factizing, of course, is not the only verbing that creates what we
> call knowledge. There are a host of other verbings involved (e.g.
> consensusing, negotiating,
> power-brokering, deŽning, hunching, muddling, suppressing). By
> focusing on
> the verbings by
> which sense is made and unmade, Sense-Making frees research from the
> implicit assumption
> that there is one right way to produce knowledge. Emoting, for
> example,
> usually marginalized
> as a non-useful strategy for sense-making takes equal footing along
> with
> factizing. Sense-
> Making conceptualizes every verb of collective and individual human
> sense-making as useful
> under some conditions and methodologically mandates research to
> unearth
> those conditions."
>
> Ditto.
>
> "Sense-Making assumes that issues of force and power
> pervade all human conditions; that humans are impacted by the
> constraining
> forces of
> structural power (both natural and societal) and that as individuals
> in
> specific situations they
> are themselves sites of power, to resist, reinvent, challenge, deny,
> and
> ignore."
>
> Ditto.
>
> "Extrapolated from the above is a central assumption that ordinary
> human
> beings are
> theorists, not just potentially theorists, but theory-makers.
> Sense-Making
> posits that theory-
> making is a mandate of the human condition given pervasive
> discontinuity.
> This discontinuity
> manifests itself in multiple ways: in the gappiness of the human
> condition
> with its gaps
> between external worlds and internals, time, and space; in the gaps
> between
> human mind,
> tongue, heart, body; in gaps between people at the same time; in gaps
> in a
> person across time;
> in gaps between structure and person, structure and structure. The
> assumption of pervasive
> discontinuity leads to the assumption that no human movement,
> collective or
> individual, can
> be fully instructed or fully constrained a priori. The next step may
> be a
> repetition, or an
> invention; by design or by caprice; in conformity or resistance; a
> muddle or
> a thrashing about.
> Whatever the next move, whether it be a move by a single person, or a
> move
> by one or more
> persons on behalf of a collective, that move is made without complete
> instruction or
> constraint. The very idea of this incompleteness presents the
> possibility of
> considering these
> moves as at least in part designed (consciously or unconsciously,
> repetitively or innovatively).
> Being in part designed, they can be conceptualized as practices that
> are in
> some way theorized
> even if that theorizing appears mute and inarticulate or dominated and
>
> constrained. It is in this
> space that Sense-Making mandates the positioning of humans as
> theorists and
> the study of
> communication as dialogic."
>
> Ditto.
>
> So how come 'Sense-Making' seems only to stress the information
> seeking of
> actors and not the power struggles, internal and external that are so
> important in the picture? Why, when she's studied Michel Foucault, are
> her
> actors so divorced from this struggle?
> Could it be because there's a 'GAP' in there that shouldn't be there?
>
> And so on...
> Seems to me that good sense-making requires a little more coherence.
>
> [Time for bed.]
>
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <albert.m.selvin@verizon.com>
> To: <unrev-II@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [unrev-II] Visual stimuli & IBIS methodology
>
>
> >
> > The text may have sounded that way -- my fault, if so. Take a look
> at the
> > many years of field research, both in industrialized and developing
> > countries, that supports Dervin's reseach, in order to judge its
> > speciousness and pseudo-ness.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Peter Jones" <ppj@concept67.fsnet.co.uk> on 11/14/2001 03:15:35 PM
> >
> > Please respond to unrev-II@yahoogroups.com
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> > To: <unrev-II@yahoogroups.com>
> > cc:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [unrev-II] Visual stimuli & IBIS methodology
> >
> >
> > Al Selvin wrote:
> > >Brenda Dervin, for example, contrasted a sensemaking
> > >approach to the persuasion approach. For her, sensemaking is a
> process
> > >where people confront obstacles or discontinuities in their
> progress
> > >towards some goal; when they hit such obstacles, they cast about
> for ways
> > >to understand their situation so that they can design effective
> movements
> > >around, through, or away from the obstacles. It has little to do
> with
> > >persuasion and much to do with figuring out what's going on and
> what to
> do
> > >in a situation where the normal rules are upset.
> >
> > Nope, I'm not persuaded. Based on the text above, it sounds like
> specious
> > pseudo-intellectual meaning dodging.
> >
> > >much to do with figuring out
> >
> > Self-persuasion? Justified beliefs, new or old?
> > It's still a form of persuasion.
> > How rational and sophisticated it is is entirely dependent on the
> players
> > and the context, but it's still persuasion.
> >
> > But then that's just my opinion, you don't have to be convinced.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jack Park" <jackpark@thinkalong.com>
> > To: <unrev-II@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [unrev-II] Visual stimuli & IBIS methodology
> >
> >
> > > At 09:11 AM 11/14/2001 -0500, Al wrote:
> > > >I studied communication in grad school in the early 80s. In that
> field,
> > > >much of the newer and promising work going on was a reaction
> *against*
> a
> > > >model of communication as persuasion, which had dominated the
> field in
> > the
> > > >previous decades. Brenda Dervin, for example, contrasted a
> sensemaking
> > > >approach to the persuasion approach. For her, sensemaking is a
> process
> > > >where people confront obstacles or discontinuities in their
> progress
> > > >towards some goal; when they hit such obstacles, they cast about
> for
> > ways
> > > >to understand their situation so that they can design effective
> > movements
> > > >around, through, or away from the obstacles. It has little to do
> with
> > > >persuasion and much to do with figuring out what's going on and
> what to
> > do
> > > >in a situation where the normal rules are upset.
> > >
> > > As it turns out, I read TR 74 and was somehow primed for this
> response,
> > > which also corresponds to my intuition that seeking truth or
> making
> sense
> > > cannot and should not involve persuasion. It is for this reason
> that I
> > > have been thinking that keeping the participants (at least in the
> non
> > > face-to-face) dialogs anonymous. I have observed a tendency to
> play to
> > > whatever opinions the "expert" (read: big cheese) has to say,
> while
> > > conducting meetings with QuestMap. It strikes me that a good
> facilitator
> > > ought to have some skills handy for deflecting the force of
> unwarranted
> > karma.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > >
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